In the discussions between atheists and Christians, it always bothers me whenever atheists put themselves forth as experts on Christianity. Julie pointed out to me the discussion between Christian Tim Challies, over at
Challies.com and Luke of
Common Sense Atheism.
Of course, Luke gives his testimony there and shows how he was raised a Christian and then was "deconverted." This, in his opinion, makes him an expert on Christianity because he has somehow seen the light and embraced atheism. Of course, this is nonsense, because he is assuming that since he was a Christian before, he is an expert of Christianity now.
I know men and women who have been Christians for 50 years and never would make such a bold assumption about the faith. Theology is far to broad and comprehensive to become an expert simply by being converted to the faith, and supposedly, being converted away from the faith. This is a common mistake a lot of people make, that simply because they have study something, or read a book about something, they are now experts on the topic. No, the expert is the one who wrote the book (assuming it was well done).
Luke's other claim to expertise on the topic is the fact that he was raised in a "born-again" family and his father is a pastor. Well, my wife was raised by a doctor, in a doctor's family, but I wouldn't want her performing heart surgery on me, even though she knows infinitely more about the human body and it's functions than I do. The point is that being raised in a Christian home doesn't make one a Christian or an expert on Christianity. Luke is not an expert. I know, he claims all the right things, raised in a Christian family, etc., but that doesn't make him an expert on what it is that true, born again Christians believe.
He writes:
I went to church, Bible study, and other spiritual events every week. I prayed often and earnestly. For 12 years I attended a Christian school that taught Bible classes and creation science. I played in worship bands. As a teenager I made trips to China and England to tell the atheists over there about Jesus.
I felt the presence of God. Sometimes I would tingle and sweat with the Holy Spirit. Other times I felt led by Him to give money to a certain cause, or to pay someone a specific compliment, or to walk to the cross at the front of my church and bow before it during a worship service.
None of this proves conversion. What does the "presence of God" feel like? Is it that happy chummy feeling we might get on Sunday mornings because everything is going our way? Zip-pi-di-do-dah, zip-pi-di day! My o my what a wonderful day?
Find me the passage that says, "And thou shalt feel the presence of God, by tingling and many sweats of the Holy Spirit." Again, nothing in his testimony here, proves conversion. In fact, I would argue if you are using what he has given to prove your conversion, then you are not converted because all the elements that he has listed here are nothing more than works. We are not saved by works at all. We might do all of these things, but that is a result of conversion, not proof of conversion.
The proof we have is that our faith is in, and remains in Christ for salvation, basing our salvation on what Jesus has done in His earthly ministry and on the cross. Our faith always must be in Christ for salvation, for if it is in what we do or not do, then we do not have true salvation because our works are never acceptable to the Father because of remaining sin.
So what are we to make of Luke in this situation? Does the Bible say anything about those who have tasted the operations of the Spirit, but have drifted away, or become apostate? It really does. The writer of Hebrews addresses this very issue.
Hebrews 6:4-8 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
There are those in the body who do all the right things, but are not born again. Jesus tells us of those in the parable of the wheat and the tares. Luke, while he was in the body of Christ, did a lot of seemingly good things for the body of Christ. But all those works were thorns and briers because they were not done in faith. He was not a true believer and fell away into open shame.
Now some always say, "yes but what about 'once saved, always saved.'" To that I reply that given what we know about Luke at this point in his life, we have no basis to say that he was ever saved at all. Yes, he may have professed faith in a public confession, but never truly believed. That being the case, he was never truly saved and Hebrews 6 applies directly to him.
Might God show Luke grace later in life? He might and we should pray that He does. But as for now, Luke is apostate, out of the faith, and certainly no expert on Christianity. If you read what Challies writes as his post in response to Luke's post, you will see Challies quickly point this out.
But until Luke actually trusts in Christ for salvation, and truly becomes born again, he has no right to act as an expert on Christianity. Let's not give in to the premise that simply because someone says, "I had to figure out who Jesus really was," that he actually knows who Jesus was.
By the way, that last statement of his that I quoted is another insight into his hubris. He had to figure out who Jesus really was. No, Jesus has already told us who He is. It's not our responsibility to "figure it out," as if somehow we rise above all the rabble and figure this stuff out on our own. The LORD has blessed the church with pastors and teachers who do teach the truth (Ephesians 4). For those who want to know, we can read our Bibles and listen to our pastors. But if we rely on our fallen natures to figure God out, we will either fall away, as Luke did, or run off into some new fangled idea that is an old heresy in a new dress.